Interview with Sabra Lane, AM on ABC Radio

Sabra Lane: The US-China trade war is escalating, with Beijing imposing retaliatory tariffs and restrictions on critical mineral exports. Where does Australia stand? Senator Don Farrell is Australia's Trade and Tourism Minister and Special Minister of State. Minister, thanks for joining the program.

Minister for Trade: Nice to be with you, Sabra.

Sabra Lane: China has announced retaliatory action to Mr. Trump's tariffs. They're both Australia's friends, but only one is an ally. Does the government back Mr Trump?

Minister for Trade: We want to have a cool, calm and collected approach to this issue. We believe that we have a very strong argument to defend free and fair trade, and that's the argument that we put to the Chinese Government. And at the end of last year, the last of the products that had been subject to those impediments, namely crayfish, were sent back into China. When the opportunity arises, I'll be putting exactly the same argument to my American counterpart that we support free and fair trade and it's in the best interests of both our countries to continue to do that.

Sabra Lane: Some say it's shakedown diplomacy. You argue, and the government says, Australia is prepared, but a slowdown in China could affect Australia. How hard could this be?

Minister for Trade: Well, it's always possible that higher tariffs on Chinese products going into the United States will have an impact on the Australian economy. As I say, what Australia needs to do is to push issues that are in our national interest. We're an island. We rely on trade to produce our prosperity. It's been very successful in recent years. We've had record trade. One thing that this government has managed to do is to diversify our trading relationship. So, we now have new free trade agreements with the with the United Kingdom, with India. In fact, in the last few days, India made us a fresh offer to extend our free trade agreement. We've negotiated a new free trade agreement with the United Arab Emirates. So, all around the world, we're looking to diversify our trading relationship so that we're not simply reliant on one or two countries to provide for our prosperity. We're looking for a much broader relationship and we've been successful in that.

Sabra Lane: Mr. Trump's choice of Commerce Minister Howard Lutnick has not been confirmed just yet. Have you spoken with him yet or when do you expect to meet with him to discuss trade?

Minister for Trade: No, I haven't spoken with him yet, Sabra, but I have approached the person who will be his Chief of Staff. We've indicated that we are very keen to talk. under their system until you get approved by the Senate, you're not in a position to discuss with other countries. But we've made it very clear, and the message that's come back from Mr Lutnick is that he is very happy to talk with us as soon as he's legally able to do that. And I hope to be, if not the first person or first overseas minister to speak with him, to be one of the first. And when we get that opportunity, we will push our argument in our national interests that we believe in free and fair trade. That there is no reason for the American Government to impose tariffs on Australia.

Sabra Lane: We avoided them last time round on steel and aluminium. Are you confident that we can do that again?

Minister for Trade: What I'm confident about, Sabra, is that we will push the issues that are in our national interest. One of the points I'll be making to Mr Lutnick is that since President Trump was last in the White House, American sales to Australia have virtually doubled. So, free trade has been very good for the American businesses in Australia. Of course, it's been good for us because we have increased our trade with the United States. But right at the moment, the balance is very much in the United States' favour. We buy almost twice as much from the United States as we sell to them. So, I pose this question; why would you impose a tariff on a country where you've got a surplus? And, of course, that was the argument that former Prime Minister Turnbull used with Mr Trump last time. So, I think we've got a very strong argument. In Singapore mid-last year, we signed another trade agreement with the United States, the Indo-Pacific Economic Framework. So, we've been building strong relations with the United States over the last few years. And I think we have a very, very good and strong argument. And I want to do, I want to present that argument to the United States and ask for their serious consideration about what further action they might take.

Sabra Lane: We have heard this morning with your Special Minister of State hat on, the group Advance is sending out material right now to voters that the Electoral Commission ruled at the last election was misleading. The group says it's legal right now because it's being sent before the writs have been issued. Do our laws need tightening to stop this kind of misleading material being sent all the time?

Minister for Trade: Well, we've got laws to deal with the issue of truth in advertising in the electoral context.

Sabra Lane: Well, this is getting through right now.

Minister for Trade: Well, those laws haven't yet passed. We've got legislation before the Parliament that's coming on this Thursday. They're trying to put downward pressure on the cost of Australian elections. We want every ordinary Australian to be able to participate in the electoral process. And as you saw earlier in the week, Sabra, there's massive amounts of money going into the Australian electoral system. We want to stop that.

Sabra Lane: Have you got to deal with the Coalition to get this passed?

Minister for Trade: Well, I'm talking to everybody, Sabra, as I have been for the last couple of years. And I'm hopeful that this Senate, this week will see the merit in putting downward pressure on the amount of money that's being spent in Australian elections. It's interesting over the break, President Biden himself warned that we can't have a situation where the billionaire oligarchs simply determine who gets into the Australian Parliament. Ordinary Australians, people like you and me, Sabra, have to be able to participate in the electoral process without having billionaire sponsors determining who will and won't get into the Parliament. So, I'm hopeful that all the discussions I've had and I've, you know, met with all of the serious players in this space and I'm hopeful that the arguments that we're presenting for putting downward pressure on the cost of Australian elections will be successful.

Sabra Lane: Minister, thanks for joining us this morning.

Minister for Trade: Nice talking with you, Sabra.

Sabra Lane: That's Don Farrell, the Minister for Trade and Tourism and the Special Minister of State.